Monday, January 23, 2017

This is interesting for 1864


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  1. Numa.GJanuary 24, 2017 at 8:13 AM

    So what is the difference between a PGW pepper and sauce bottle? How about the absynthe and claret bottles? I guess "wines, sixes" refer to the generic whiskey 6ths ? What is strange is that whiskey 5ths from the 60s and very rare, especially any that looks like they could be western blown. Where did they all go?

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  2. Numa.GJanuary 24, 2017 at 8:13 AM

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  3. Dr.BarnesJanuary 24, 2017 at 9:25 AM

    Kool, I would like to see what a 1/2 Lbs. Mustard or Pepper Bottle looks like? Also Has anyone ever Dug or Seen a Pacific Glass Works Base Embossed Square, or Maybe a Black Glass bottle ?

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  4. Warren FriedrichJanuary 24, 2017 at 11:02 AM

    I believe the sixes, fives refers to the different sizes of the wine bottles.

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  5. WesternglassaddictJanuary 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM

    I have an olive square with PGW embossed on the base. DM

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  6. Numa.GJanuary 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM

    That could be Warren, but if PGW was pumping out that many wines in the 1860s, where are they? "Wine Sixes" were advertised heavily by PGW throughout the 1860s. Western blown "whiskey" cylinders in the 6th size appear to be some of the most common unembossed utilitarian blown bottle by PGW. PGW jars, sodas, pepper sauces, mustards, etc. seem to be much harder to find either in the ground or in collections. I find it hard to believe that none of the listed bottles in this ad are the bottles known to us as "whiskey 6ths". They have to be either the wines, absynthe, or claret bottles, right ? I believe "wines" could have been a generic term used for these whiskey 6ths which probably contained liquor, but could have also been used to bottle any other products that a manufacturer wanted to fill them with. There are also ads for brandies made in "hock color". Maybe they converted the wines to brandies by blowing them in puce? What do you guys think ?

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  7. WesternglassaddictJanuary 24, 2017 at 1:48 PM

    I believe you may indeed be on to something here Andrew. It is true that the whiskey style cylinders held many products other than whiskey, and they are much more common than almost any other unembossed western blown bottle from the period.

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  8. Rick SimiJanuary 24, 2017 at 4:58 PM

    I have seen quite a few ads from the Pacific Glass Works but can't recall ever seeing a ad for "whiskey" type bottles. I would lobby for the wine sixes as the bottles used for whiskey and other types of alcoholic type beverages including bitters.
    - rs -

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  9. J.F. Cutter ExtraJanuary 24, 2017 at 7:47 PM

    Wine + Bitters = Wine Bitters, right? So perhaps "wines" is being used in a rather broad sense.

    The embossed western sixths from the 1870's-80's are a mix of Whiskey (Jockey Club), Bitters (Damiana) and Brandy (Renz's/Livingston's Blackberry), and my guess is that things were quite similar a decade prior.

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